The triple play podcast, because everybody's an athlete in this game of life. Get off the sideline, hard to get in the game. Everybody happy holidays, happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever it is that you guys been selling. Hopefully you guys are having a great time spending time with your family and friends.
I know a lot of you guys, myself included eating a lot of food and, and you know, just some of us taking a break. And I love this time of year, you know, with all the festivities going on and, you know, the main things may have changed with COVID and how we do things, what, you know, you're going out and, you know, maybe some of you going to concerts, not being able to go to concerts or what have you, things have changed.
But you know, one thing that hasn't changed is the season of giving, especially in this time of year. Um, so we're going to have a lot of giveaways. If you guys have been following me on Instagram, we've been doing some giveaways, uh, these past few weeks and we're going to be doing a lot more. And in the coming year, we're looking to partner with a bunch of different foundations that we're going to be giving towards.
Um, you know, that's one of my goals of what we're going to be, try to doing. Um, It's been raining like cats and dogs here in Hawaii. Uh, and not, not the paradise sunshine beaches. It's been raining, cats and dogs. I mean, flooding out and being craziness. You has me here. My cat, actually in the background there, we've got flooding going on.
We got the Navy. Their fuel tanks have been leaking into our water supply. We've got all kinds of stuff going on. Um, yeah, it's been craziness and hopefully that, you know, you guys are listening to this podcast. Um, we can bring some sort of normality to your life. So in this podcast episode, I have a special guest.
His name is Norman. And Norman is a cancer survivor, and we're going to talk about hypnosis today. He's a certified clinical hypnotherapist. He's an advocate for people and author of two books. While one is called take charge of your cancer. And the other one is master mind master life. So it's a book on the history of hypnosis and its ancient beginnings.
I thought this was very interesting, right? I mean, you hear the word hypnosis and all kinds of different things come to mind. Norman was actually a former, um, public policy consultant and lobbyists. And then he made a decisive life change after battling cancer, a big one, right? And then he emerged with a new found perspective on life.
And living Norman has a passion for utilizing and understanding his subconscious mind and its power to natural processes such as hidden in therapy and coaching. Norman helps clients overcome a wide range of. The impact, the human condition, such as health, behavior, and performance. He aims to service clients and help them discover their power.
And through all his struggles, Norman has persevered and wishes to help others persevere in their lives. He's kind spiritual in detail. To share his knowledge and those who seek it. And you'll see from this interview, then all of those things are so very true. So without further ado, let's jump into the interview.
Hey everybody, we have a special guest on the podcast today. Uh, we got Norman Plotkin and we are going to be talking about all kinds of stuff's around the hypnotherapy and his story. Um, let's let's ask you to jump right there. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks Dr. Mike, great to be here. Yeah. Let's start with your story.
You know, when, when I got in contact with you, you know, I read your, you know, I read your one sheet and write off the. You know, it really attracted me. Um, because of your story, would you mind sharing a brief introduction to your story? Uh, so I had a 25 year career in politics and lobbying and, uh, I thought that was the greatest thing, you know, and I, I got to college late after the military and did some blue collar work in oil fields.
And so I was in a hurry. And it started out as a clerk in the legislature and worked my way through consultancies and ran campaigns. And I was at one point I was the health committee consultant to the state assembly. And, uh, then I lobbied for the medical association that the CMA California medical association.
And then I went out on my own. I had my own contract lobbying firm, and I represented clients before the California legislature and eight. And it was heady stopped. It was, uh, you know, very exciting, but politics is, you know, it's a dirty game. It's ugly, you know? And so, um, it took its toll on me. It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't what my authentic self was about.
And I, and I ended up, uh, I ended up getting sick. I had. And interestingly enough, it was papillary carcinoma, uh, thyroid cancer. So in my throat, which the throat chakra is your voice in the world. Interesting. And I didn't have my own voice. I was an advocate and I love being an advocate for others, but, but it wasn't my voice.
It was always someone else's. And so I think spirit. Uh, that would have played a role in it. And so initially I wanted, I followed all the directions. I had a radical thyroidectomy and this node resection and two rounds of radiation and I, I just wanted to get back to normal, but the problem was, as I came to understand, as teachers began to appear and the likes of Wayne Dyer and Carolyn Meese and Deepak Chopra and others began to open my mind, I realized that normal was the.
And I needed a new normal. And so I dove in to what became a, about a seven year spiritual awakening. And along the way, I was guided to, uh, the power of the subconscious mind as, as I navigated my cancer journey. And, um, and so I gained a keen interest. I also gained a keen interest in, um, complimentary and alternative modalities.
And so. The I found my way to, it was a nationally accredited school for hypnotherapy in Los Angeles, jumped right in and didn't look back. And so, yeah. Before all, before your diagnosis, were you open to any of this stuff or was this like a complete 180 degree? 180. I was, I represented allopathic medicine.
Oh, wow. You know, I knew hundreds. I knew hundreds, even thousands of doctors and, uh, uh, you know, it was all about the conventional therapies and, uh, and you know, that was my worldview. That's what I understood. And, and. I don't try and steer people away from that. I, you know, I focus on what they call complimentary.
So I, I would never, I wrote a book called take charge of your cancer, the seven proven steps to healing and recovery. And I, but I don't recommend people not see their doctor or use, uh, an allopathic approach to their therapeutic, uh, strategy is, but there are ways that you can engage yourself. You see, you're the one with skin in the game.
Modern medicine. You get 10 minutes with the pers highly trained person. I mean, that's, let's face it. Physicians today are very well trained and educated, but you get 10 minutes and they're not there at 10:00 PM when the walls start to move in and you have questions. Right. And so we, we look for things that we can engage ourselves in, in our healing and recovery.
So, uh, yeah, it was a one. Definitely. So what were some of the first things like that you dove into after you started down this path? Well, the power of the subconscious mind, uh, living intentionally, I'll tell you one of the keys for me was a friend of mine. She had gotten out of politics and opened a yoga studio and she took me through therapeutic yoga for cancer.
And most importantly, she taught me how to manage. My overactive mind that made me a super good analyst and still does, uh, you know, was monkey mind when, when you're facing complicated, emotional, uh, circumstances, that there's a lot of stakes. And so being quiet and still is. Super important. Um, so, uh, that therapeutic yoga for cancer and then Pilates to regain my strength after the radiation, my friend, Jean really helped me out there.
So learning about. Uh, it was super powerful also, uh, understanding that our self-talk is important, you know, we're cause we're listening. In fact, every cell in our body is listening to that onboard conversation that we all have. And as I learned about the placebo effect where, you know, the sugar pill does, 30% of the time does as well as the, the therapeutic and also the no Siebel effect, you know, that there's.
That showed that over 70% of medical students suffer actually the symptoms of the diseases that they're studying about. And so we can either make ourselves sick or better. And it's kind of like that Henry Ford quote, if you think you can. You're right. And if you think you can't you're right. You know, so, um, these are the things then Wayne Dyer's book, the power of intention and living intention.
Great book. Carolyn Meese anatomy is spirit Deepak Chopra, quantum healing. These were the teachers that began to appear. And the texts that I began to read, uh, that have led me to, you know, the place where I am now as I use hypnosis in the therapeutic setting. But it most certainly it's about empowerment because let's face it people today.
Largely surrender their power to external forces. He said she did the government, the Corona, you know, uh, it's really easy to point outward, especially now, right? Yeah. Let's dive into the whole notion, a notion of hypnotherapy, you know, because you know, I, for me, um, a little bit, uh, when my wife was pregnant with our first.
We went to, uh, a birthing center and we went, we went with a doula and one of the things that they talked to us about was, um, using hypnotherapy during the birth process. So we actually went through a course with one of our doulas called hip, no babies. And me, you know, like you, I have, you know, like that left brain scientific mind, I was like, okay, hypnotherapy, I've seen this on television at the circus.
You know, they got the, the guy that they make bark and he's running around the entire ring. And it, for the majority of people, they think about it that way. But. When my wife started using it and I started using it as alongside with her, I started to notice things happen and she still utilizes a lot of those techniques that were taught to her, uh, for pain and all that kind of stuff.
But let's dive into. Like the hypnotherapy and kind of dispel some of the myths kind of go into the backstory of like, what is hypnotherapy and what's going on in the body? Um, during hypnosis. Yeah, absolutely. I've taken my daughter through a hypnobirthing three times and she was afraid of the pain and had heard many stories from all the women that she knew.
And, uh, she didn't, she wanted natural, but was afraid of the pain. And so. I took a certification and hypnobirthing and took her through it three times. And there was not no pain. It was just 20 or 30 minutes, you know, and rather than hours upon hours. And so it is super powerful in that setting. Lamaze is hypnosis.
So even the traditional, um, uh, birthing techniques, but, uh, anyway, to, uh, to the larger story about hypnosis, it's an ancient Madame. Uh, healers in indigenous cultures, all used trans shamonic healers and they induce trans in different ways. There's plant medicine. There's, uh, there's drumming. There's, um, there's many ways into trans and so trans is a natural state.
You know, if you're driving home from work and you pull into the driveway and don't remember the trip you were in hypnosis, that's hypnosis, hypnosis, or watching a movie and you're in it. Yeah. I feel like you're in the middle of it. That's that's hypnosis or caught up in a good book that moment where your eyes flutter right before sleep.
That's a hypnotic moment. Great time to break out your notebook and write a few goals down. Uh, so have no, there are three levels of noidal Cadillac uptick. And so Namgyal is some ambulance. And so it's a natural state and what what's going on. Just a, a deep relaxation with a focused concentration. Now in the old days, you know, back in the 18th and 19th century there, uh, there was a fellow France Messner, Mesmer ism.
You may have heard the term popularized it and he called an animal magnetism. Um, you know, there was a big uproar and the medical community investigated, uh, um, uh, Benjamin Franklin was even on the investigative committee. And, um, you know, they, they, because he couldn't measure what was going on in the brain.
They, they, they largely attributed it to the persuasion of. Uh, the hypnotist and, um, the subjective experience of the, uh, the client or patient. And that's been relegated to the subjective. Non-evidence based realm since then, until recently, when we developed amazing, uh, uh, technology to measure what's going on in the brain.
And there are studies going on at Stanford, under Dr. David Spiegel also largely, um, happening in the UK, there's a project called the human givens project and they're measuring what's going on in the brain and they can, uh, they can tell you that, um, that part of the brain that, uh, th th that gets you to.
Uh, pay attention is kind of suspended and it also syncs up the parts of the brain that control your heart rate and your pulse and your breathing and all of these things. So the mind and body sync up and that part of you and the frontal cortex that, uh, to pay attention is kind of suspended. And that, that executive function part.
Um, that gets you, that would make you embarrassed about something it's also suspended. So that's why you can get people up there to bark like a dog or cluck, like a chicken. And, um, so now it has moved into the realm of evidence. Uh, therapy therapies because we can measure what's going on. So, but it's not widely understood, but if you go to Google, uh, if you go to Google research, there are tons of studies of its application to conditions like IBS irritable bowel syndrome or Crohn's disease, or.
Migraines or pain, pain. There's a hip, no anesthesia that you can, uh, there's people that do, um, the dental work and the whole operations, uh, without, without general anesthesia using hypnosis only. So the, the three stages that have no ill, you go in naturally, uh, on your own. Um, catalepsy is, is usually induced through an induction.
Catalepsy is characterized by your hands and feet going to sleep and as much like what you experienced when you dream and you're, you may wake up from a dream and your hands and feet are kind of numb. We do that to protect ourselves or who we might be sleeping next to you. Right? When we're slaying the dragon in the middle of our dream, we don't hurt ourselves.
Well, the outs because our, our hands and feet are kind of numb and that's the Calipso anabolism is the part where you see them go to sleep on stage it's, uh, amnesia and it's more sleep like I work in catalepsy because I want people to be somewhat conscious of, uh, what is is happening and what, and the therapy, their therapeutic approach that I'm using the metaphors and suggestion that people will.
That'd be deep in catalepsy and say, well, I felt like I was asleep. I felt like I was snoring. I said, have you ever heard yourself snore when you were asleep? And I said, no. I said, well, you know, that's, that was the difference you weren't asleep. You were in catalepsy. So, um, it's super powerful. It's, it's pervasive as you go into it every day.
And part of the problem is it's really. For a misappropriation by, uh, Hollywood and television, because it's mysterious. It's, it's, uh, it's a deceptively simple, and that's another thing we want to make things overly complicated in this day and age, but it is deceptively simple and it is extremely powerful because.
Just as the no cebo and placebo effect work. So to does the suspension of your conscious mind and the direction of your subconscious mind, you know, I'm talking to the part of the mind that allows you to ride a bike without having to learn how over and over and over or ship the car. Right. And so we have these experiences and we develop behavior and, uh, And this behavior is learned and persists.
Now, if the threat that you develop, the behavior is gone, or the person who was threatening and they may even be dead, but the subconscious mind is fearful of experiencing that pain again. So it holds onto the behavior. Uh, so th these are some of the. The reasons that we hold onto this programming, or, you know, sometimes people get a secondary gain.
They might, they might receive something for holding onto this behavior, like sympathy, compassion, uh, you know, an escape from boredom. You know, there are all kinds of reasons that people hold on to their issues. It becomes their story. So, uh, the first thing I usually do with people is like, are you ready to write a new story?
Yeah. That's a big one. You know, I, I find that a lot. With patients, especially if they're going through, you know, a disease process that has a lot of emotion attached to it, you know, like cancer, um, Alzheimers, all of those things. Um, Or, you know, even, even others where they're getting that attention. So do you find that that's one of the major reasons why people have a hard time letting go because they identify with that and they get it gains attention for them.
And there are many reasons for secondary gain, but that, but that usually there is a secondary gain that they're getting and they, um, or they, or they become their story and it becomes their identity. Some people, you know, Seeing people on Facebook oversharing about their colitis or, you know, stuff like that.
And, and it, and it, right. It is, it's really hard to, um, uh, to divorce ourselves from that. Sometimes when we get in that, when we get in that group, because here's what happens, listen, we're really smart. And we dive in and we learn all about our condition and then we become invested in it. And. Um, we've been sold on the idea largely that there there's a pill that we can take, um, which I'm just, I'm just so you know, I just really try and, uh, you know, direct people away from chemical therapies because it's really just a management.
It's it's kinda sad that doctors have become kind of symptoms managers. They, they, I I've had client. I had a client with fibromyalgia and she had it for nine years. And for eight years, all they could do is give her opioids. You know, they, they, um, they gathered up the list of symptoms and gave a diagnosis of auto-immune.
That was probably fibromyalgia. And they said, there's nothing we can do, but help you manage your pain. And so for eight years, Uh, opioids. And finally she got tired of that and got off the opioids and was looking for a way to get away from the pain. And so she came to me and they always, I'm always the last resort.
I always tried everything out. I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so. So I took a history and, you know, she was a very, is a very tough person. She'd been in the air force and she was an executive and, you know, in a man's world and, uh, and, uh, And so, uh, no one had ever asked I'm like, what did, what was going on in your life when, when this started?
And it turns out she was going through a really bad bitter divorce with a custody battle. And she was really tough on the outside, but emotionally she was a marshmallow. And what she did was she somatize this pain into her body because physically she could take it. But the most emotionally she couldn't.
And when the divorce. And the, you know, she moved on and they'd be, they'd be became co-parents and, you know, things settled. She held onto this because she, their subconscious was still afraid of that emotional pain and the exposure to it. So I took her through some sessions to help her lift that pain.
You know, it began with, are you ready to let this go? She goes, if I could let it go, I had done that years ago. I'm like, well, if you could let it go, if you could let it go, are you ready? She said, yes. I'm like, and so I just took her through. Um, you know, I took her through the process of letting it go and, um, and releasing it from her body.
You know, the somatic response, um, is really powerful. There's a great, another great book. The body keeps the score. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, what we do is we somatize our emotional problems into our body, oftentimes, and there are, there are really basic, uh, basic body syndromes, like unexplained leg pain. You can't run from your problems or unexplained arm pain.
You can't fight your way out of something or unexplained back pain. You're carrying the weight of the world. And these are simplifications. Uh, but it's the basis for oftentimes what people are dealing with. And it's really hard, you know, you can't just come right out and say, look, you created this and I know your pain is real, but it's kind of in your head.
Right. You know, so yeah, you can't, you can't approach it that way. What you have to do is you have to educate and connect dots between their experiences and then kind of incremental. Incrementally work your way toward lifting the conditions that created the, what they're, what they're dealing with. Yeah.
Can, can anybody be hitting the ties or is there like a criteria that they have to pass or are there those that can't be hidden? Great question. Uh, Dr. Spiegel at Stanford will tell you that the research shows that it's 80, 20, 80% can 20%. Can't I'll tell you from my experience, if you want to, you can, but if you cross your arms, And and say, you know, I dare you to get in, I can't hypnotize you 20% or 20, the 20%, uh, Dr.
Spiegel's, uh, uh, population are largely, uh, uh, highly analytical. Yeah. And, uh, you know, what you see there are inductions to, uh, induce hypnosis with a highly analytical, what, you know, what you do. You engaged them on two different levels at the same time. And what it's all about hypnosis is all about overloading with message units and triggering the fight or flight response.
And you can see when, when you're, when you're loading them up, there's a moment where they escape and you can just see in their eyes are, go into REM. Um, so if you're really good and you're, and you're, and you're really dedicated to you, you can get even the most highly analytical in to hypnosis. There are rapid inductions and there are, there are ways to do it, but you know, you never want to do anything.
You don't want to lift pain that you don't know the origin for. You don't want to take people into hypnosis that don't want to go. Um, you don't want to do things against people's will do. I'm really uncomfortable by the stage hypnosis. It serves a purpose, you know, to show you how powerful it is. But, um, I, I, uh, occupied the therapeutic realm and I'm very serious about helping people with natural solutions.
And the other part makes me uncomfortable, but it serves a purpose, but I, everything I do is highly intentional and it's all directed. Empowering people with their own solutions. You know, you've been in politics, you know, for a long time. Do you see that? Especially know we just came out of a year of the political elections.
Do you see when you know, these politicians are on campaigning? Are they using hypnotic things? Uh, in, in whenever they're speaking or in there, their press releases the UCA. Yeah. That, so here are the three things that you need for a hypnotic modality authority, a doctrinaire, a paradigm, and you need to feel something.
All right. So let's, let's look at some seemingly obvious examples of this, uh, lab coat instead of this coat. Medical books and medical school. And do you feel something when you go to the doctor? Not a good place, not a good place to have your blood pressure taken, right? The lab cook the white coat syndrome and you, maybe you get good news.
Maybe you get bad is ultimately you feel something. So medicine has a hypnotic modality. How about this one? The white collar, the book. Pick one, whether it's the Toronto creme that the Bible or the Biograph, I get it. And do you feel something when you go to temple or church or, or mosque, you know, then people, do they feel something?
So this is a hypnotic modality, religion and politics is no different. Let's, let's look at another one. Uh, Fowchee doctors, Fowchee and Burke's neurology and epidemiology. Do you feel something you think about their own? I mean, there, there are a lot of people really afraid right now. And so we are under massive notes.
Yeah. And then the television repetitively over and over and over and over, and they're showing you overrun hospitals and people, you know, It's a hypnotic modality. And so, um, oftentimes I have to be at the ties people and, uh, to get them to, uh, uh, a state of, of, uh, homeostasis, and then we can re hypnotize them and go into an area that's beneficial to them, but there's massive noses going on television, this massive gnosis um, I don't own a car.
It's called programming. Exactly. So, you know, like with that said, you know, do you think that, or have you found that a person can hypnotize themselves? I'll put self hypnosis. All I do is. And so, um, all hypnosis is self-hypnosis and, and, uh, of course people can learn to hypnotize themselves, listen, meditation.
There's a very thin line between deep meditation and hypnosis. All right. Um, you can be in a trance state in deep meditation. If you enter meditation with the shamanic drumming track, you largely in hypnosis this. And if so, what I do is. Uh, I do it for myself. I will write a hypnotic script for myself, record it and play it back.
Hmm. You're highly suggestible to yourself, you know, because if you're anything like me, you can talk your self into or out of just about anything. Right. Because you, that sense that ration the rationality part. So, you know, there's, there's two parts of the brain. There's the conscious and the so-called.
And the conscious mind is characterized by reason analysis, logic decision-making willpower, and the subconscious mind is all of our gnomes, whether good or bad, it doesn't distinguish pink, good or bad, just known and unknown, the known as good. And then unknown is scary. And the problem is if you've seen the iceberg graphic, you know, the conscious mind is just the tip and subconscious minus the body underneath.
And so. Conscious mind takes in the data from the five senses and, um, and it measures it against our experience and our subconscious programming. And if it doesn't, if something doesn't comport with our programming, we'll come up with a rationalization like. If your programming is somewhere along the line except at cigarettes, but your conscious mind reads the label on the box.
It says the surgeon general says, this is likely to kill you. You, but you have accepted it. And you're programming. You're going to rationalize that. Well, I've know people who smoked into their nineties. I was going to die anyway. Yeah. And. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, you'll come up with these rationalizations and continue to puff away.
Even in the face of a tragic upper rep is respiratory disease. That's striking smokers. Yeah. I'm getting a lot of smoker clients right now that are, that are afraid because of drunk. But, uh, but you see what I'm saying? It's a, the conscious mind will come up with a rationalization to overcome your fear.
Uh, because it's known and it's, and it's accepted by your program, your subconscious mind, you know, I see a lot of patients, especially in their youth, gaining an, all these diseases of what we would, what would be considering diseases of age. And a lot of them, you know, we talked to them about generational trauma and how.
Emotions and trauma gets passed down from generation to generation. Have you seen that? And to what extent have you seen hypnosis work with that type of issues? Yeah, it was so, um, you know, the old argument nature versus nurture. What I find is there's a lot of people who attribute thing to biology when it's really.
Environment. Um, I see it in depression that women present with, uh, depression. And when I begin to ask them questions about their mom and their early experiences, and maybe their mom had undiagnosed depression, but when their mom and dad would fight, Martin would withdraw and be reserved and be solid. And so this depressive.
Was learned early on in childhood. I, I go back, I go back to childhood and family structured with every client. I wanna know what their experience has been. Um, now in the human givens project, they'll tell you that you're in REM in vitro and you're getting a download from your mom. So there is, there is evidence to suggest that there we have things passed down, uh, but there's.
The environment of our childhood when from zero to eight, we are in hypnosis. We are marrying and matching the people in our sphere of influence. And we are a sponge and this becomes our programming for the rest of our life. And we compare everything to that early experience about. 11. We begin to form our own personality and emerge into the world as ourselves, but it's highly influenced by that early experience.
So, um, with hypnosis that it's it's um, because I go back to the child, I do a lot of inner child work and connect people with that inner child. You know, we have these sub personalities, we have an inner adult, we have a, and there's transpersonal, uh, stuff. There's we have an inner adult. Parent and inner child.
And, um, it's really important that we're in touch with these sub-personalities. And so, um, so I do inner child work, which is largely regressing people back you. So you take them into hypnosis and you, uh, paint a picture of the details of their childhood and have them see themselves as that child. And you put them in their environment and have them see and trigger memories.
Um, and then just tell them, you know, to love on them and everything's going to be okay and connect with them and know that they can connect at any time. And, um, and so it's really healing that inner child. Uh, I had, I had a client who was an extremely successful psychologist and, um, they. Uh, had hidden, they had three clinics and they, it hit kind of a ceiling and they wanted to push past the ceiling or trying to write a book.
And it turns out that he was very hyperactive as a child and his father had locked him in the closet because he didn't know how to deal with them. And so freeing that, that little boy from the closet was a, was a very empowering thing. And so, um, There are, I believe in past life regression, I do pass. I do pass by progression.
I believe in that myself, those who come to me and what, uh, but, uh, but you know, interestingly, I've had people ask about past life regression and we've been able to find things in their early childhood that when I regressed them, From aggressive people right back to infancy. And, uh, I recently had someone who, uh, had a phobia over, um, giving blood and they'd had blood work, you know, they'd been through disease and everything they did, but giving blood, going to the, uh, the, the mobile.
Uh, uh, center and just created a sense of fear frightened and ran away. And so, um, he thought, you know, maybe there was something in his past life. Well, it turns out I regressed them to early childhood infancy, uh, moment. It was in the forties and you'd seen the cars and the houses, and he heard his mom say that your uncle died on the operating table, never give blood.
And maybe he was talking, she was talking to him, maybe she was talking to someone else and he overheard it, but he remembered that. And when we free. Uh, well, you know, when I took him back to that, he understood what the origin of this was, you know, he no longer had that problem. So, um, there, there is, um, there is generational trauma.
I believe that to be true, I believe that the experiences, you know, that, um, that our ancestors have had can pass it on. But do they do it on a cellular level or do they do it on an environmental level that you know, I'm not sure. And it doesn't matter because I'll regress to whatever point it requires to, um, to help the client resolve.
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